At the TRAC 2014 conference in Ventura, California (“The Aesthetics of 21st Century”), I participated in a panel discussion on talks presented by philosopher Roger Scruton and artist Odd Nerdrum. Scruton spoke of Beauty and Nerdrum spoke of Kitsch. My comments in response run for 18 minutes, beginning at the 40:16 mark, following a quick introduction by Peter Trippi, editor of Fine Art Connoisseur: